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welcome travel back in time with us

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right now for rare UFO content

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Melbourne this is Delta Sierra Juliet is

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there any known traffic below 5000 uh

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Delta Sierra Juliet no no traffic seems

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it is alright seems to me like Landing

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lights just passed over me at least a

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thousand feet above it seems to me that

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he's playing some sort of games

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flying over me two three times at speeds

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and the thing is

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it's got a green light and sort of

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metallic black it's all shiny on the

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I've got it set at 23 24

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what you've just heard is a recreation

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of the final words spoken by Pilot Fred

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valentis before his plane disappeared at

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the bass strain

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even though it's been 19 years since

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Fred disappeared the mystery surrounding

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what happened to him still hasn't faded

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he just vanished without trace and his

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family believed he was taken by an

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unidentified flying object

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recent years has been an explosion of

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UFO sightings in Australia

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whatever you mention the topic people

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seem to have their own theories and

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opinions

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or even their own stories

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it was orange like a Sunset and it was

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just spanning across the road I I can't

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move it moving forward in time through

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the experience then this tall dark bee

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just appeared in front of the craft I

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mean it looks like a traditional every

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day of the week

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comic book Flying Saucer they had large

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almond-shaped eyes small bodies legs and

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arms and and sort of gray in appearance

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I think it's the first time in my life

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that I could identify of anybody telling

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me that they were scared they were going

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to die saying this thing's only just

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down the bottom of the street he could

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see it was out in the water it was

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sucking up water yeah I believe it's a

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they're between four and 500 reports a

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month of UFOs in this country

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now obviously a lot of them could be

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explained but about 10 proved to be true

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Mysteries

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tonight you'll hear from people who've

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had these experiences

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they're just normal Australians who

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can't explain what they saw

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I was traveling from Sydney in the

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Northerly direction to walk Gosford

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along this particular Road here the

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Pacific Highway and

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I it was quiet there wasn't a lot of

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traffic it was early Christmas morning

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and I was just gazing out of the the

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front window of the car and I saw

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approximately a half a kilometer away a

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bright silver silver metallic object

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stood here not believing my eyes because

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where I sit I can see the Open Water

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and I just couldn't believe that this

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thing could appear on the water

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with some kind of craft but it was

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completely surrounded in lights

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underneath and all around and it just

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looked like a carousel it wasn't

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anything flat

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around holiday time the local police

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know they'll be busy

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but on this New Year's Eve the calls

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weren't what they expected

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all people that I spoke to

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had exactly the same thing to say there

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was no variance whatsoever in the object

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that was cited

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it was a huge Chrome very shiny object

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in the shape of a ball

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at the bottom of the ball was a number

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of huge white lights

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this object looked like it was sucking

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some calls were quite frightful in their

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voice you can actually hear the fear and

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in the background especially

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the fear of people and of course animals

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and things at the time that were

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experiencing

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we're looking out Above This Headland

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and we're watching a bright light

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moving a strange like fashion that

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you'll never see that or we never saw

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anymore

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else moving quickly and moved for

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instance in a zigzag fashion

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we're watching it for 10 to 15 minutes

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move in this direction North

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and we just saw this bright light 15 20

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meters above our car just a bright light

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emanating light towards our car

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all of a sudden I saw these lights come

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out of the water like like a

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cylinder and Flash

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and the top of the water is all lit up

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and as that light was up I could hear

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the rushing of water movement of water

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and then the water being raised up and

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then shortly after it down comes the

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I'll notice this rather bright light it

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seemed to be cut on the right hand side

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of the car

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and it seemed to be following this for

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quite a while

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and then all of a sudden they're tuned

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and went at a right angle right across

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the expressway in front of the car

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large around I seemed to have a stream

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of sparks flying out the back of it I

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don't know what it was but it was most

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peculiar

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after the initial New Year's Eve reports

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to police the local Sun weekly newspaper

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got hold of the story

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there were hundreds more people at home

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that had obviously thought they'd seen

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something quite out of the ordinary but

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hadn't were too scared maybe to come

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forward and actually say that they'd

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seen something

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our office the day the the report

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hit the streets uh was was amazing we

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had caller after course I mean they'd

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seen the same thing a lot of the

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Witnesses were retired academics some

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were policemen nurses School teachers

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Sunday school teachers lawyers business

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people some of the leading business

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people in the area they were all people

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that had everything to lose and nothing

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to gain by coming even coming forward

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and making a report

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all the people who actually saw it

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hovering over the water describe these

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four or five shafts of bright white

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light coming down to the water and

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literally penetrating the water rather

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than reflecting off it we also had

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descriptions of the water seething

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underneath it some people said it froth

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some people set it phoned some people

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overall I'd imagine there'd be probably

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particular Sergeant winning remembers

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one very distressed caller he told me he

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had been woken up from a deep sleep with

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thunderous noise

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and bright lights dogs barking is

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children had come into his bedroom

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screaming it was saying that this thing

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was only just down the bottom of his

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street he could see it it was out in the

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water it was sucking up water

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the sand was like a million hummingbase

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he didn't know what was going on

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we investigated officially with the

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local aircraft aerodromes with the Air

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Force with air traffic control and again

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could come up with no explanation

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while everyone can describe what they

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no one seems to have the answer to

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exactly what it was or where it came

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there was smoothing in moving in ways in

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the sky which could only be described

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as a UFO when you see something like

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this there's a sure knowledge that

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you're looking at something that is

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beyond your experience I'm not young and

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people might think oh yeah but strange

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seeing things and I'll imagine had

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imagination now I've got an imagination

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but not like that not when I see

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something they're like I say I know I

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saw it at first I thought well maybe

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it's some type of meteorite but it was

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too large it was traveling too slow and

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turned turned a right angle which I know

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meteorites aren't kind to do oh it's

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just bewildered how something could

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appear and disappear

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and Affinity practically

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while I honestly don't know what they

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saw we've gone right through all the

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realm of possible explanations which

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leaves it as what a UFO truly is a

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flying object which we cannot identify

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by conventional means

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there's a saying that seeing is

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believing and it certainly applies to

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the most intriguing personal accounts

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come from people with no real interest

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or belief

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before this happened to me I can be

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honest I could say that I was in that

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category of being naive I just I didn't

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believe it

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to see it's like I would have to see it

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Grace's experience starts in the early

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hours of the morning traveling home with

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three girlfriends

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Victoria who can't be identified was one

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of the women in the back seat it's when

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I got a bit further down the hill that I

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noticed on the right hand side of me

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some long oblong-shaped lights I didn't

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know what they were I mean I only sort

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of caught a glimpse of a bright orange

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light sort of shining through

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as I got down the Hillside and started

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to come around the corner by um this

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little hotel that takes us back through

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the back roads towards the freeway

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one of the girls in the back noticed a

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very bright white light with the top of

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when the girls were sort of saying oh

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maybe you know like it's a UFO and you

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know it was sort of like just laughed it

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off and said don't be so ridiculous the

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women continue their trip but further

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down the road more lights appeared

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I heard Victoria and one of the other

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girls in the back there they were

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commenting on

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something that was behind us I actually

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thought somebody was coming up behind us

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like a truck or something because it was

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moving fairly fast and very bright

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it was just such a brightest blinding

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like it was orange like a Sunset and it

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was just spanning across the road I got

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really scared and I said to Grace quick

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up the ride

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he says we got closer in like into the

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middle of this car parking area and

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looked up we could see this ship well

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that's what you'd have to call it

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because it was you know definitely not

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an airplane and um and it was it was

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something from definitely not this world

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that's for sure

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sort of moved across from this direction

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sort of disappeared in into a gully we

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we were scared for our safety I mean I I

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got to be honest I think it's the first

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time in my life that um I could identify

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of anybody telling me that they were

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scared they were going to die because I

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when I got to the opening of the drive

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here the other girls noticed that um

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there was something else up

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some activity up there in the sky

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we were still scared we didn't know what

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they were either

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they seem to be moving in a direction at

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this this other craft had gone over and

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gone down

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so the first thing you think of just

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pull off someone's driveway

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and as I pulled in the light was so

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blinding it actually was hurting our

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eyes to look at it

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it wasn't a human it definitely was no

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human that's for sure

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I felt threatened to buy it I felt

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really really afraid to buy it

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that was the closest thing I've ever

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experienced with the thought of actually

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you know coming close to death I suppose

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which sounds pretty silly but um the

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fear I had was like that like I wasn't

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gonna sit my family again

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and the weird thing is that it's it's

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not the normal thing to talk about and

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be able to accept

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but um you know it's been three years

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now and uh

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and I still feel very distressed by it

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in the weeks um

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I feel a lot of Doubt with what happened

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to Grace uh I didn't believe it

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um truly believed it because it I hadn't

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experienced anything that most like that

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myself so uh I uh I didn't I didn't show

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it either I mean I didn't show it I

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didn't believe it because I think it was

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important that I looked like I was

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supporting her so that otherwise you

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know she might go sort of

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you know off the rails if you didn't

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feel she had some support from her

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husband

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but two weeks later those Downs

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disappeared late one night they were

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both woken by the distressed 15 year old

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son he he's dead set that he had

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presence in his room you know there was

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there was people somebody in his room

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and um one thing that uh he did kept

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saying the time was that at that time

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was that can you hear that sound and he

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kept pointing up to the ceiling and um

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we we could hear and this little drone

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sent I knew then I'd heard that sound

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before we got back into bed and I was

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laying there and I thought do I lie here

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and just let this thing go through and

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just you know try and wipe it off as uh

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another bad experience or do I actually

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get up and look and if it is what I

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think it is then maybe my husband will

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be able to see for the first time and he

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I just couldn't believe what I was

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seeing when you see you see an object

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that's just sort of floating through the

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air

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you know I could slow pace and you think

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yourself oh my God so struck me as you

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know being awesome and just something

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unbelievable

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it was a relief

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that he was able to see this thing and

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all I kept saying was that that was the

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thing that was there the night when I

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certainly bright spots Nature by the way

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characteristics of the weight we just

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hovered across the house at a slow pace

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so yeah no nothing man-made not from

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this country not from this Earth I

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should say do you want me to even though

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Grace and her husband ended up

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experiencing the same craft their ways

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of coping with the differ you either

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accept or you don't accept it and I tend

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to say now after I've seen it with my

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own eyes so I accept it but I don't you

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know harp on about it and and talk about

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it and if it's um it's just one of those

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things that you try and live as a part

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of your life that's happened and let's

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get on with things let's move on from

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here you see that's how I sort of try

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and treat it rather than try and find

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explanation as to what it is yeah I

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really don't have a theory

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basically um

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it's more the fear

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again I don't know why because I'm still

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here and I am healthy you know I mean

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but the fact is it's um

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it's just a worry because

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um

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what do you reckon it is

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got no idea

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images of UFOs caught on video over the

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years tend to raise more questions than

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they

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answered yes yes

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working out whether there is something

384
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out there is intrigued researchers for

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years

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and there's no doubt that there is a

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physical Dimension to this UFO

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phenomenon and it appears to involve

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some form of technology

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and many cases certainly suggest that

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we're dealing with with an exotic

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technology that might be something

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certainly foreign to our environment

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when a Melbourne photographer saw images

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like these he was interested enough to

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go on standby to try and capture on film

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whatever was buzzing this guy over Mary

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I got the phone call and I was told that

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the lights were spinning

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across the tree line over the homes what

401
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I did was put the camera

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onto the object

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allowing

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it just to come into frame hit the

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shutter count to 20 stop whine move the

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camera to the next part of the frame so

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start the shot count to 20 Let It Go and

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so forth

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the first night the result of the

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photographs showed just light Trails of

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this object going across over the the

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tree line the second night with high

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speed film and the high magnification

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lens is where we actually captured the

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shot of the disc

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this thing was

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uh the only way to explain it was uh it

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was moving across the air like like ice

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on a on a hot plate very very smooth

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later in the program Doug's photos will

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be studied by an independent expert

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well it was flying it's unidentified and

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it was definitely an object what it will

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be and I hope with the analysis we'll

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prove me right but yeah I believe it's a

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UFO

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hypnotherapy is like a buzzword

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it's the thing to try if you feel you

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have secrets of the past to unlock

430
00:19:01,789 --> 00:18:59,460
while mainstream medicine doesn't

431
00:19:04,610 --> 00:19:01,799
necessarily recognize them people have

432
00:19:19,029 --> 00:19:04,620
had UFO encounters believe it helps

433
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:21,950
Victor pufelska believes he started

434
00:19:25,850 --> 00:19:23,760
having alien encounters as a teenager

435
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back in his native Romania

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he's turned a hypnotherapy to try and

437
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is like being a good good soldier you

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just obey orders this is actually the

439
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probably the best description of

440
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:40,940
hypnosis process

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deeper sleep

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00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:47,100
loose and limb heavier and heavier

443
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not a worry not a care

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deeper deeper and deeper hypnotherapy is

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a way of allowing us to get into the

446
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subconscious mind the intellectual mind

447
00:20:05,210 --> 00:20:02,400
tends to want to control and criticize

448
00:20:07,549 --> 00:20:05,220
everything it's it's the sensor of stuff

449
00:20:10,850 --> 00:20:07,559
that doesn't even know about that was in

450
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:10,860
there before we were three years old so

451
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by sort of relaxing and sliding across

452
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the conscious mind if you like we can

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sort of delve into the unconscious or to

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allow what's in the unconscious to find

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its way out

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oh

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00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:27,660
I can't move Frank uh-huh

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00:20:32,210 --> 00:20:29,520
I think the pressure is increasing I

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00:20:33,230 --> 00:20:32,220
can't move the chest my arms uh-huh my

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legs

461
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:35,400
there's a thing about hypnotherapy that

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very often the subject will want to

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please the hypnotist

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that you have to look at that but

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um the thing is that you can see that

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when a person is reliving an experience

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that it's pretty easy to see whether

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that's faked or not

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moving forward in time my legs moving

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forward

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in time through the experience

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[Laughter]

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the paint where the pain is inside of my

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elbow aha

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who are you saying thanks to them

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there's a test that's a test

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keep they keep me telling become

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they're telling you to be calm yeah very

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often the people are quite disturbed

480
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about Dreams they're having or things

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they've imagined happen to them and they

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often come out of this saying I'm

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pleased I'm not crazy or I'm not mad or

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does give you some answers but also

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creates

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thousands more and this is probably the

487
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trickiest part

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I'm never happy with the answer which I

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I I'm getting and I want more and more

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somewhere Skies

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just relaxing as much as you can

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that's feeling a sense of calm

504
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from 1992 there was a very strong

505
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correlation with Awakening psychically

506
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and with my healing work to having these

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experiences

508
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Elizabeth Robinson is a spiritual healer

509
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and therapist who says she's been having

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extraterrestrial experiences since

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childhood

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but is only now starting to accept them

513
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I mean when they started with me I

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thought my God this is bizarre you know

515
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this is crazy

516
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this is the in the realm of Science

517
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Fiction

518
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:37,500
um but I know now I've had to work

519
00:23:41,710 --> 00:23:39,360
through that and struggle with it and

520
00:23:45,169 --> 00:23:41,720
I've denied it like hell for five years

521
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and I can't deny it anymore

522
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Elizabeth says she started seeing

523
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creatures like these around a home in

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Perth in 1992.

525
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there were three beings stand there

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large

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shaped heads bigger at the top to the

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chin at the bottom large almond-shaped

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eyes small bodies legs and arms and and

530
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sort of gray in appearance

531
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but they looked at me with a sense of

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intent and intelligence

533
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soon after Elizabeth's daughter talked

534
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of being visited by a lady during the

535
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night

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00:24:22,669 --> 00:24:21,179
Elizabeth believes it was one of the

537
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:22,679
same beings

538
00:24:29,450 --> 00:24:25,919
and I looked down on the desk and here

539
00:24:32,090 --> 00:24:29,460
was a drawing of this being the same

540
00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:32,100
being that I had seen and I said to

541
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Jessica who did that because I I knew

542
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that at two and a half her drawings were

543
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scribble drawings and she said oh that's

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the lady

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[Music]

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I tried to rationalize it but I knew

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that I wasn't

548
00:24:55,130 --> 00:24:53,039
imagining this stuff you know there was

549
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something in me that told me that there

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was more to these experiences

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[Music]

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they're looking at me again

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Elizabeth then turned hypnotherapy to

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try and uncover what she couldn't

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00:25:09,890 --> 00:25:07,280
understand

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00:25:11,870 --> 00:25:09,900
the session was recorded last year with

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visiting American ufi researcher John

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Carpenter

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I don't want to give the baby up

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what since we've come up in hypnosis is

561
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:23,039
that I've had children taken from me

562
00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:25,760
babies taken from me that are growing up

563
00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:28,260
on crafts and this this is just

564
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,539
absolutely bizarre you know talking

565
00:25:35,330 --> 00:25:32,159
about this I mean

566
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:35,340
it it's you talk about this but you know

567
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:37,860
at first you struggle with it I mean you

568
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,799
can't fully comprehend this but what I

569
00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:42,720
could comprehend was the emotion around

570
00:25:57,529 --> 00:25:55,190
they tell me with their mind

571
00:26:00,049 --> 00:25:57,539
the emotions are so real they're raw

572
00:26:02,269 --> 00:26:00,059
they're you know the grief is there that

573
00:26:04,490 --> 00:26:02,279
the terror is something like I've never

574
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,500
felt before

575
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,960
doing what they're doing what are they

576
00:26:10,370 --> 00:26:09,120
doing they're getting the equipment

577
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,380
ready

578
00:26:15,769 --> 00:26:12,480
part of the reason why they're involved

579
00:26:17,149 --> 00:26:15,779
here on Earth is to help us awaken but

580
00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:17,159
there seems to be some sort of

581
00:26:23,149 --> 00:26:21,000
reciprocal type of arrangement whereby

582
00:26:27,049 --> 00:26:23,159
um you know they're they're coming to

583
00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:27,059
Earth and they're creating a new race of

584
00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:28,860
beings or creating some sort of hybrid

585
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:31,380
race of beings I used to think okay I'm

586
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:33,840
dreaming until I used to be able to get

587
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:36,000
up go to the bathroom make a cup of tea

588
00:26:41,390 --> 00:26:37,919
come back sit down and still be waiting

589
00:26:43,250 --> 00:26:41,400
for me and I think Janet Elizabeth and

590
00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:43,260
colleague Mary Rodwell now run a support

591
00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:45,000
group in Perth for people who've had

592
00:26:49,010 --> 00:26:46,980
alien experiences for a long time and

593
00:26:51,529 --> 00:26:49,020
this is what I I mean my business is is

594
00:26:53,390 --> 00:26:51,539
emotional trauma that's why I'm here and

595
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,400
I won't deal with fantasy I can't deal

596
00:26:58,970 --> 00:26:55,440
with fantasy so it's about emotional

597
00:27:01,970 --> 00:26:58,980
trauma these people are stressed quite

598
00:27:03,950 --> 00:27:01,980
desperately with fear and anxiety about

599
00:27:05,810 --> 00:27:03,960
a lot of things that they only have a

600
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,820
vague idea often about but often is

601
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,679
because they remembered being taken I

602
00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:09,600
went three months with barely any sleep

603
00:27:13,610 --> 00:27:11,400
if you remember I told you about 11 or

604
00:27:14,930 --> 00:27:13,620
12 well it's barely any sleep most of

605
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:14,940
them just want to live an ordinary life

606
00:27:19,850 --> 00:27:17,520
they don't want this to happen so for

607
00:27:23,330 --> 00:27:19,860
them to have the chance to at least talk

608
00:27:24,830 --> 00:27:23,340
about it and release all the anxiety and

609
00:27:27,169 --> 00:27:24,840
fear around that as much as they can

610
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:27,179
around talking about it it seems that

611
00:27:33,649 --> 00:27:30,240
through that there is real healing for

612
00:27:37,370 --> 00:27:33,659
me I became very frightened that I would

613
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:37,380
be labeled crazy or you know hallucinate

614
00:27:41,090 --> 00:27:39,360
whatever it was and that I couldn't have

615
00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:41,100
somebody to relate this experience to

616
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:43,380
that would honor my experience have

617
00:27:46,430 --> 00:27:44,640
either Elizabeth has always kept

618
00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:46,440
journals a better experiences which she

619
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,380
is now using to write a book I saw a

620
00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:51,840
gray being appear white gray color in

621
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:53,640
the dream I was searching for my son

622
00:27:58,490 --> 00:27:56,159
even though the child dream of trying to

623
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:58,500
run away from several gray beings but as

624
00:28:02,890 --> 00:28:00,840
fast as I ran or wherever I really don't

625
00:28:05,570 --> 00:28:02,900
expect someone to be able to say

626
00:28:08,390 --> 00:28:05,580
absolutely you know this is real because

627
00:28:11,570 --> 00:28:08,400
you know you always doubt yourself but

628
00:28:13,610 --> 00:28:11,580
but you know that it's real and you have

629
00:28:16,669 --> 00:28:13,620
to come to some point and stop denying

630
00:28:18,890 --> 00:28:16,679
it and that's what I'm starting to do

631
00:28:21,289 --> 00:28:18,900
sorting out the facts around the UFOs

632
00:28:35,529 --> 00:28:21,299
can be tough this of course is something

633
00:28:40,690 --> 00:28:37,430
earlier in the program we saw

634
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,700
photographs taken by Doug page

635
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:42,960
the time exposure show what doug

636
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,360
believes is a UFO hovering near his home

637
00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:47,520
in 1996.

638
00:28:52,490 --> 00:28:50,460
now has this been observed by other

639
00:28:55,570 --> 00:28:52,500
people as well practically all of Mary

640
00:28:59,090 --> 00:28:55,580
Warren okay so that that was

641
00:29:02,330 --> 00:28:59,100
seen but not as a streak because this is

642
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:02,340
a Time exposure so it was simply an

643
00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:05,039
object of some sort traveling correct uh

644
00:29:10,190 --> 00:29:06,840
in in somewhat of a line but as you can

645
00:29:12,289 --> 00:29:10,200
see it goes up and down here this type

646
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:12,299
of negative sleeve will take the

647
00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:13,679
professor would like to examine the

648
00:29:17,330 --> 00:29:15,480
negatives that come before and after the

649
00:29:19,490 --> 00:29:17,340
pictures in question explain to me why

650
00:29:21,470 --> 00:29:19,500
but Doug has used the ends of rolls of

651
00:29:24,049 --> 00:29:21,480
film and discarded the shots he felt

652
00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:24,059
didn't work now when the films were

653
00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:26,580
actually ready for handling I'd lay them

654
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,720
out and I went through them and I go

655
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:29,520
with the scissors I just go cut cut into

656
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:31,440
the bin cut cut put it there and that's

657
00:29:34,909 --> 00:29:33,120
what I did okay

658
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:34,919
um after examining the camera the shots

659
00:29:39,049 --> 00:29:36,960
were taken with and checking density

660
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,059
readings on the negatives the next step

661
00:29:44,990 --> 00:29:41,360
is to enhance the images on the computer

662
00:29:46,610 --> 00:29:45,000
I don't rely on computers for analysis

663
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,620
they assume they're they're a bit of a

664
00:29:51,370 --> 00:29:48,960
tool they sometimes let us see things a

665
00:29:54,049 --> 00:29:51,380
little bit better but to actually

666
00:29:57,769 --> 00:29:54,059
definitively say that a particular thing

667
00:29:59,930 --> 00:29:57,779
is something I I stay away from that how

668
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:59,940
did you focus the camera just on

669
00:30:06,169 --> 00:30:00,960
Infinity

670
00:30:07,970 --> 00:30:06,179
technically the tower should be sharper

671
00:30:11,230 --> 00:30:07,980
in Focus than the tree should be

672
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,240
shouldn't it but it's not

673
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:13,679
interesting question it's a good one now

674
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,559
he told his um there's no sort of

675
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,720
guarantee of course in the darkness that

676
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,120
uh it hasn't moved offset either but I

677
00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:23,520
had that set for Infinity okay with some

678
00:30:27,169 --> 00:30:25,020
of the technical questions out of the

679
00:30:30,529 --> 00:30:27,179
way it becomes an issue of individual

680
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:30,539
perception specific things here I see a

681
00:30:36,049 --> 00:30:33,360
disc shaped object I see something with

682
00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:36,059
a rim okay there is definitely a lip

683
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:37,980
there are what appears to be lights

684
00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:40,080
there's big there's another small one in

685
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,580
between another one so we've got

686
00:30:46,190 --> 00:30:43,919
something that is geometrically laid out

687
00:30:47,810 --> 00:30:46,200
you can see a texture

688
00:30:49,970 --> 00:30:47,820
and you can see definitely on the dark

689
00:30:52,130 --> 00:30:49,980
side of it something says something's in

690
00:30:54,889 --> 00:30:52,140
Shadow I mean it looks like a

691
00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:54,899
traditional every day of the week

692
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:57,240
comic book Flying Saucer my first

693
00:31:03,409 --> 00:30:58,799
impression of this when I saw it again

694
00:31:06,350 --> 00:31:03,419
was a a trumpet a circular object here

695
00:31:10,909 --> 00:31:06,360
uh uh that we have a bell shape that

696
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:10,919
comes out like so this is unexplained

697
00:31:16,850 --> 00:31:14,240
Optical either artifact phenomena

698
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:16,860
or reality or reality or could be you

699
00:31:23,149 --> 00:31:18,559
know could be an object

700
00:31:24,769 --> 00:31:23,159
but it is totally undefinable and of

701
00:31:26,690 --> 00:31:24,779
technical concern is the fact that the

702
00:31:28,850 --> 00:31:26,700
start of the time exposure is more in

703
00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:28,860
Focus than the end shape

704
00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:31,740
doesn't make any sense to you that if

705
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:35,880
this was moving and it's decelerating

706
00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:37,740
would that have a have a bearing on the

707
00:31:44,450 --> 00:31:40,200
on the on the shape of the line

708
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:46,430
because no I shouldn't it should be

709
00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:49,200
exactly the same same sharpness despite

710
00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:51,960
question marks over issues like that

711
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:53,640
Professor is able to reach some

712
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,200
conclusions

713
00:32:00,889 --> 00:31:58,320
I don't believe that it's it's been fake

714
00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:00,899
uh I think it is probably something that

715
00:32:06,409 --> 00:32:04,620
was uh traveling through the air what it

716
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:06,419
would be I wouldn't I wouldn't know and

717
00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:07,440
there's no indication from the

718
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:08,940
photographs that would give me any any

719
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:10,980
clue the points there that I haven't

720
00:32:19,549 --> 00:32:15,360
considered such as the object you know

721
00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:19,559
could well be a phenomenon that that

722
00:32:22,830 --> 00:32:20,940
I've never heard of

723
00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:22,840
so I mean we've got to keep an open mind

724
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:24,600
[Music]

725
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,490
I don't know maybe between six and eight

726
00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:33,360
I would assume

727
00:32:37,370 --> 00:32:35,460
they're fairly intense or yeah they're

728
00:32:39,769 --> 00:32:37,380
very close together as well right okay

729
00:32:41,330 --> 00:32:39,779
four years ago Kelly Carr was a mother

730
00:32:43,610 --> 00:32:41,340
and housewife with no interest in

731
00:32:45,409 --> 00:32:43,620
spaceships or aliens

732
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:45,419
now she's using technology to

733
00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:48,720
reconstruct images of her own encounter

734
00:32:52,010 --> 00:32:50,220
sort of does give the idea of the lights

735
00:32:53,510 --> 00:32:52,020
there but you know the brightness of the

736
00:32:54,769 --> 00:32:53,520
light it gives a good impression except

737
00:32:59,870 --> 00:32:54,779
that the color doesn't seem right

738
00:33:05,450 --> 00:33:02,870
my husband and I were driving up to my

739
00:33:07,010 --> 00:33:05,460
girlfriend's Place uh in monbok which is

740
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:07,020
in the Dandenong mountains we're driving

741
00:33:12,850 --> 00:33:10,559
on belgrave Hallam road and it was just

742
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:12,860
on dusk

743
00:33:17,630 --> 00:33:15,840
I saw what I thought was around orange

744
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:17,640
lights in the field

745
00:33:22,009 --> 00:33:19,919
it looked unusual to me

746
00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:22,019
later that night retracing their route

747
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,120
home Kelly noticed something else

748
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:26,880
unusual it's about a kilometer or so in

749
00:33:32,169 --> 00:33:28,559
front of us about twice the height of

750
00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:32,179
the Treetops we could see this

751
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:34,440
object which at first I thought was a

752
00:33:38,930 --> 00:33:36,840
blimp it had the shape of a blimp but it

753
00:33:41,450 --> 00:33:38,940
was light

754
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,460
as we got closer to it the the light

755
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:43,679
seemed to sort of separate and it was

756
00:33:49,370 --> 00:33:47,039
actually these a row of round lights and

757
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:49,380
they were Orange

758
00:33:57,649 --> 00:33:55,850
standing in these around orange circles

759
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:57,659
like people but you could only see the

760
00:34:06,529 --> 00:34:04,669
there's people in there and the minute I

761
00:34:08,990 --> 00:34:06,539
said that it shot off to the left of us

762
00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:09,000
within one or two seconds it was gone

763
00:34:14,810 --> 00:34:12,300
completely about a kilometer or two

764
00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:14,820
further down the road as we kept driving

765
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,740
I came across what at least what I

766
00:34:21,649 --> 00:34:18,960
thought was a screen or a wall of light

767
00:34:23,570 --> 00:34:21,659
across the road

768
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,580
and my heart started racing and the

769
00:34:27,889 --> 00:34:25,679
adrenaline was sort of pumping through

770
00:34:29,329 --> 00:34:27,899
my body and I'm thinking we've just seen

771
00:34:32,930 --> 00:34:29,339
this back down there where we're in for

772
00:34:37,609 --> 00:34:35,329
the next instant

773
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:37,619
we seem to have actually covered a fair

774
00:34:40,909 --> 00:34:38,879
distance that I don't even remember

775
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:40,919
covering it might have been

776
00:34:46,010 --> 00:34:43,919
possibly close to a kilometer that I

777
00:34:49,129 --> 00:34:46,020
don't remember actually

778
00:34:50,450 --> 00:34:49,139
traveling there was no light there was

779
00:34:52,909 --> 00:34:50,460
you know there was nothing blocking the

780
00:34:56,329 --> 00:34:54,649
Kelly says it wasn't until weeks later

781
00:34:58,849 --> 00:34:56,339
she remembered actually getting out of

782
00:35:01,849 --> 00:34:58,859
the car that night

783
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:01,859
and I saw that there was a um another

784
00:35:06,670 --> 00:35:04,320
car that had pulled up a hundred meters

785
00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:06,680
down the road

786
00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:08,760
then I walked around the front of the

787
00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:10,980
car to where my husband was standing on

788
00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:13,500
the other side and we started walking

789
00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:15,240
across the road together

790
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:17,220
as we were walking across the road I

791
00:35:19,490 --> 00:35:18,480
looked down and I saw that the other

792
00:35:21,290 --> 00:35:19,500
people were getting out the car and

793
00:35:22,670 --> 00:35:21,300
starting to walk as well so I was quite

794
00:35:24,050 --> 00:35:22,680
happy that there was other people there

795
00:35:25,970 --> 00:35:24,060
who were seeing the same thing that we

796
00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:25,980
were

797
00:35:30,780 --> 00:35:29,820
and we walked up along here to to where

798
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:30,790
the fence is

799
00:35:34,250 --> 00:35:31,920
[Music]

800
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:34,260
right out in front of us there's this

801
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,930
totally awesome

802
00:35:44,290 --> 00:35:43,970
it was it was science fiction coming to

803
00:35:47,150 --> 00:35:44,300
life

804
00:35:52,730 --> 00:35:47,160
[Music]

805
00:35:56,329 --> 00:35:54,410
we stood here

806
00:36:00,829 --> 00:35:56,339
I guess side by side my husband and I

807
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:03,170
then this tall dark beam just appeared

808
00:36:07,849 --> 00:36:05,339
in front of the craft and and he was

809
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:07,859
followed by about another seven or eight

810
00:36:16,190 --> 00:36:14,390
so energy goes through me and it's like

811
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:16,200
nothing I've ever experienced before in

812
00:36:21,230 --> 00:36:18,420
my life it was like some sort of low

813
00:36:23,329 --> 00:36:21,240
level frequency that came in waves but

814
00:36:25,069 --> 00:36:23,339
it was so dense that I could actually

815
00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:25,079
physically feel it going through my body

816
00:36:28,990 --> 00:36:27,780
and that feeling absolutely terrified me

817
00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:29,000
it was like

818
00:36:35,810 --> 00:36:31,980
I can't even explain the horror that I

819
00:36:37,310 --> 00:36:35,820
felt just feeling this and I began

820
00:36:40,130 --> 00:36:37,320
screaming

821
00:36:42,650 --> 00:36:40,140
the minute I did the eyes on these

822
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,660
things lit up and they came charging

823
00:36:46,609 --> 00:36:44,640
across the field

824
00:36:48,890 --> 00:36:46,619
halfway across they split up into two

825
00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:48,900
groups some headed off down there and

826
00:36:54,290 --> 00:36:51,540
the rest came directly towards us

827
00:36:55,490 --> 00:36:54,300
I felt this blows in my stomach and the

828
00:36:56,990 --> 00:36:55,500
next thing you know I'm back here

829
00:36:59,210 --> 00:36:57,000
somewhere on the grass it literally

830
00:37:00,829 --> 00:36:59,220
lifted me off of my feet

831
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,839
[Music]

832
00:37:04,370 --> 00:37:02,400
and I thought I was going to die I

833
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:04,380
thought if I don't get up now I'm never

834
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,720
gonna I'm gonna pass out and I'm gonna

835
00:37:10,430 --> 00:37:08,400
die I'm not going to come back to

836
00:37:12,829 --> 00:37:10,440
Consciousness you know so I pulled

837
00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:12,839
myself up into a sitting position and

838
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,520
when I sat up I couldn't see anything

839
00:37:17,970 --> 00:37:16,560
and I was like there's just black in

840
00:37:19,569 --> 00:37:17,980
front of my eyes

841
00:37:21,890 --> 00:37:19,579
[Music]

842
00:37:23,329 --> 00:37:21,900
I want you to try stretching it down a

843
00:37:26,270 --> 00:37:23,339
little bit as well Kelly is not the only

844
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:26,280
one who saw these images that night

845
00:37:29,870 --> 00:37:28,079
for the first time ever independent

846
00:37:31,790 --> 00:37:29,880
Witnesses have given the same account of

847
00:37:33,770 --> 00:37:31,800
a close encounter

848
00:37:35,810 --> 00:37:33,780
even though Kelly has never met Jane

849
00:37:36,890 --> 00:37:35,820
glender and Bill from the other car she

850
00:37:38,930 --> 00:37:36,900
saw

851
00:37:41,390 --> 00:37:38,940
she has seen the sketches they drew for

852
00:37:43,370 --> 00:37:41,400
UFO researchers they've drawn the same

853
00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:43,380
circles of light around the top of the

854
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:46,380
craft with um this these blue lines

855
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:49,200
coming down ending in a semi circle on

856
00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:50,640
the ground I've actually also drawn a

857
00:37:54,490 --> 00:37:52,380
tripod underneath which was something I

858
00:37:56,930 --> 00:37:54,500
didn't see that night

859
00:37:58,849 --> 00:37:56,940
comes very clear then that we're all

860
00:38:02,210 --> 00:37:58,859
looking at the same thing and it wasn't

861
00:38:03,950 --> 00:38:02,220
your average source of shaped craft

862
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,960
and basically the second party were able

863
00:38:07,490 --> 00:38:05,280
to draw

864
00:38:09,050 --> 00:38:07,500
sketches of the beings very similar to

865
00:38:10,849 --> 00:38:09,060
the ones that I had and they're not your

866
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,859
usual

867
00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:12,960
um little gray things that are you know

868
00:38:18,410 --> 00:38:15,720
media propaganda

869
00:38:21,470 --> 00:38:18,420
I found a small red colored equilateral

870
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,480
triangle underneath my navel which I

871
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:24,000
guess in reality provoked only a minor

872
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,160
curiosity at the time it was oddly

873
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:28,560
geometric and I didn't I did wonder you

874
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:30,000
know how how something like that could

875
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:32,220
get on me that looked like a burn

876
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:35,040
without me feeling it at UFO conferences

877
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:37,020
where Kelly's now a keynote speaker she

878
00:38:41,150 --> 00:38:39,119
had strength to her own Story by showing

879
00:38:43,069 --> 00:38:41,160
photographs of physical marks left on

880
00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:43,079
one of the other women

881
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:45,060
plural lift with triangle marks under

882
00:38:49,010 --> 00:38:47,280
our novels but um the ones that were

883
00:38:51,230 --> 00:38:49,020
marks that were actually photographed

884
00:38:54,410 --> 00:38:51,240
the first one came from Glenda which is

885
00:38:56,510 --> 00:38:54,420
a it's a series of three small red dots

886
00:38:58,970 --> 00:38:56,520
along the inner thigh and both Jane and

887
00:38:59,810 --> 00:38:58,980
Glenda were marked with these dots I

888
00:39:03,290 --> 00:38:59,820
wasn't

889
00:39:06,650 --> 00:39:03,300
Glenda had a ligature Mark around her

890
00:39:08,450 --> 00:39:06,660
ankle it's just quite severe bruising um

891
00:39:12,050 --> 00:39:08,460
look like she'd been strapped down to

892
00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:14,210
ufi researchers have also reported

893
00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:15,960
finding physical traces at the site

894
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:17,640
where all Witnesses said the encounter

895
00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:18,480
happened

896
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:20,040
particularly in relation to where the

897
00:39:24,670 --> 00:39:21,839
craft landed

898
00:39:27,290 --> 00:39:24,680
inside that semi-circle was actually a

899
00:39:30,109 --> 00:39:27,300
triangular formation of three points

900
00:39:32,750 --> 00:39:30,119
Space six meters apart which correspond

901
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:32,760
with the tripod that was drawn

902
00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:39,290
to this day

903
00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:41,220
Kelly still doesn't know exactly what

904
00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:43,140
happened to her that night I tried a

905
00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:45,000
little bit her most vivid memory is the

906
00:39:49,490 --> 00:39:47,220
fear that you felt that's very good it's

907
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,500
fun to come out to what I'm looking for

908
00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:51,119
and I think a lot of people you know

909
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:52,500
might have experienced the fear in a

910
00:39:55,849 --> 00:39:54,000
nightmare when you're being chased or

911
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:55,859
something like that and it's a terror

912
00:39:59,329 --> 00:39:57,599
that you feel that you know sometimes

913
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:59,339
can wake you up or whatever but it's

914
00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:00,720
absolutely horrifying when you're

915
00:40:04,370 --> 00:40:02,700
dreaming it and that's exactly what I

916
00:40:06,530 --> 00:40:04,380
was feeling while I was totally awake

917
00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:06,540
that sort of Terror actually having to

918
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:09,000
feel it while you're conscious and

919
00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:10,800
physically awake and feel it as a

920
00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:13,320
reality is like a living nightmare a

921
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:22,280
tomorrow

922
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:28,510
[Music]

923
00:40:37,810 --> 00:40:35,930
we've moved out on to 138 Acres

924
00:40:41,150 --> 00:40:37,820
we don't have electricity

925
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:41,160
we use all our own fuel light for both

926
00:40:46,730 --> 00:40:44,640
our fires we're in the process of trying

927
00:40:48,730 --> 00:40:46,740
to become self-sufficient as far as

928
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:48,740
food's concerned

929
00:40:55,609 --> 00:40:51,420
we just laid a just a very different

930
00:40:59,329 --> 00:40:57,710
Denise Barrett says it's her encounters

931
00:41:02,349 --> 00:40:59,339
with strange beings that have helped her

932
00:41:05,329 --> 00:41:02,359
make the decision to live this way

933
00:41:07,970 --> 00:41:05,339
and I believe at the moment that

934
00:41:09,770 --> 00:41:07,980
they're giving us quite a dire warning

935
00:41:11,450 --> 00:41:09,780
about what's happening to the planet and

936
00:41:14,089 --> 00:41:11,460
what's going to happen to us unless we

937
00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:14,099
actually wake up to to what we're

938
00:41:22,609 --> 00:41:19,550
they seem to open parts of your mind

939
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:22,619
that aren't open before and um

940
00:41:27,530 --> 00:41:25,440
or they help you to do that I don't know

941
00:41:29,569 --> 00:41:27,540
but all I know is that I'm a very

942
00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:29,579
changed person since I've had my

943
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:31,020
experience

944
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,839
well Lifestyle Changes

945
00:41:37,609 --> 00:41:35,280
um you'd think shouldn't happen to

946
00:41:40,490 --> 00:41:37,619
people it these things aren't physically

947
00:41:42,109 --> 00:41:40,500
occurring so I guess it's a little piece

948
00:41:44,569 --> 00:41:42,119
of evidence to suggest that something

949
00:41:46,430 --> 00:41:44,579
really startling and extraordinary must

950
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,440
have happened to a person because of the

951
00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:48,960
changes that they do go through

952
00:41:51,770 --> 00:41:50,760
Denise says are visitors have the

953
00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:51,780
ability to render her husband

954
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,220
unconscious

955
00:41:58,490 --> 00:41:54,960
so he never actually experiences the

956
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,500
aliens but he does have physical scars

957
00:42:03,230 --> 00:42:00,960
well I know I've got a lot of scars on

958
00:42:06,050 --> 00:42:03,240
my body and I know basically where they

959
00:42:08,329 --> 00:42:06,060
all came from but this one in that

960
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,339
particular place I've got no idea I just

961
00:42:11,089 --> 00:42:10,079
woke up one morning and I said that in

962
00:42:13,069 --> 00:42:11,099
the comments are nice I've got this

963
00:42:14,329 --> 00:42:13,079
funny little mark on my arm and she had

964
00:42:15,410 --> 00:42:14,339
a look into your head one in exactly the

965
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:15,420
same place because she said she could

966
00:42:19,730 --> 00:42:17,040
remember it happening now I can actually

967
00:42:21,050 --> 00:42:19,740
remember them cutting it I remember it

968
00:42:24,109 --> 00:42:21,060
was like a little

969
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,119
like a little spatula or whatever but

970
00:42:28,430 --> 00:42:26,160
again there was no pain or anything and

971
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:28,440
the next day mine had completely healed

972
00:42:33,170 --> 00:42:31,320
up whereas lessons had actually scarred

973
00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:33,180
and I thought well they're in identical

974
00:42:37,970 --> 00:42:34,680
spots in their identical size so

975
00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:37,980
obviously something was going on

976
00:42:42,890 --> 00:42:40,260
people who've had multiple abduction

977
00:42:45,710 --> 00:42:42,900
experiences very often get very

978
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:45,720
concerned about the environment

979
00:42:51,290 --> 00:42:48,480
um they get very concerned about Healthy

980
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,300
Lifestyles they get very interested in

981
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:53,760
the possibility of life elsewhere they

982
00:42:58,010 --> 00:42:56,400
get very interested in in promoting the

983
00:43:05,260 --> 00:42:58,020
message that there's something actually

984
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:08,990
[Laughter]

985
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:12,589
things do go Haywire on the planet like

986
00:43:17,329 --> 00:43:15,359
I believe they will that we at least

987
00:43:21,170 --> 00:43:17,339
will be able to feed ourselves and not

988
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:21,180
have to rely on man-made energy to to

989
00:43:30,109 --> 00:43:28,490
[Music]

990
00:43:31,730 --> 00:43:30,119
it's pretty obvious that the people that

991
00:43:32,809 --> 00:43:31,740
had these experiences are convinced

992
00:43:34,609 --> 00:43:32,819
there's more to what's out there than

993
00:43:36,050 --> 00:43:34,619
most of us realize

994
00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:36,060
you're also the first to admit that

995
00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:38,940
their stories could be hard to accept

996
00:43:42,410 --> 00:43:40,680
what they want us to do is be prepared

997
00:43:43,849 --> 00:43:42,420
to listen

998
00:43:46,130 --> 00:43:43,859
I suppose people got to make their own

999
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,140
mindset but we can honestly say that um

1000
00:43:50,089 --> 00:43:48,240
what happened to happened and there's no

1001
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:50,099
doubt about that

1002
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:52,440
perhaps they're extraterrestrial we

1003
00:43:56,569 --> 00:43:54,079
don't know perhaps it's military

1004
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,579
experimentation perhaps there's new

1005
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,319
things in this earth that we don't know

1006
00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:01,200
about I don't know what they are I know

1007
00:44:04,809 --> 00:44:03,000
what happened to me but I don't know

1008
00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:04,819
anything about them I'd have to say that

1009
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:06,839
the evidence seems to be fairly

1010
00:44:11,809 --> 00:44:10,079
compelling that we we seem to have some

1011
00:44:13,970 --> 00:44:11,819
sort of alien life form just just in

1012
00:44:16,970 --> 00:44:13,980
what what it is you've got to keep an

1013
00:44:17,770 --> 00:44:16,980
open mind and since I've accepted it I

1014
00:44:21,770 --> 00:44:17,780
think

1015
00:44:24,170 --> 00:44:21,780
I've really started to see it's it's not

1016
00:44:26,270 --> 00:44:24,180
really bad there's a lot in a lot of

1017
00:44:27,770 --> 00:44:26,280
good in what they're actually doing and

1018
00:44:31,309 --> 00:44:27,780
it's like they're saying to us you know

1019
00:44:34,370 --> 00:44:31,319
human beings can do so much more we have

1020
00:44:36,890 --> 00:44:34,380
these wonderful capacities to heal and

1021
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:36,900
to heal each other and to understand

1022
00:44:43,069 --> 00:44:40,079
ourselves so much more and and we're not

1023
00:44:46,130 --> 00:44:43,079
yet where they come from I honestly

1024
00:44:56,809 --> 00:44:46,140
don't know I would hope that before I

1025
00:44:56,819 --> 00:45:00,890
oh